post #1 of 27Old06-19-2002, 11:49 AM - Thread Starter

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I am considering the Mirage OM-7 & C2 &R2.
Since all their speakers are 'omnipolar' I guess it will never be THXUltra2 since that requires direct-firing from rear.
Are they decent spkrs?
What kind of cuts off retail should I expect?
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Also would I be better off with the OM5 (builtin sub) or the OM7 with separate subwoofer?
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I would definitely get the OM-7 and a good subwoofer for home theater use. The OM-5's would only be useful if you listen to a lot of stereo music without bass management capability.
I would also recommend, if you have the space, considering the OM-9's for surround speakers. I have read that the OM-R2's are the weakest link in Mirage's line up. I use OM-9's as rears and find them to work very well. I also use two OM-C2's for front and rear center channels.
As far as price cuts go, I got 15% off list when I purchased one of my OM-C2's. You should be able to do quite a bit better if you're buying a whole set. The other Mirage speakers I purchased used. You can apparently get better discounting in Canada (since Mirage is a Canadian company).

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Unfortunately I'm doing 7.1 (I assume you're 6.1) & I enter the room from the rear & need the 2 rear speakers and 2 side speakers ceiling/wall mounted for access.
Are the smaller speakers really that bad?

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Yes they are good! Bring them home and try them out. Make sure to carefully place them (experiment with distance from the rear and side walls, distance in between the speakers, degree of toe in, etc)

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I am considering either the Mirages, Vienna Acoustics or NHT's.
Any advise between these 3?

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Each of those three types of speakers mentioned above will sound much different from each other. Ultimately it will boil down to preferences. Tough call, a lot of great speakers out there.

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Cajunlab, here is a review on the Mirage setup that was not terribly happy with the OM-R2's. It is probably because they are down 3dB at 80Hz and so does not integrate as well with a subwoofer. On the other hand, there are plenty of excellent reviews on audioreview.com.

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Running 4 OM-R2's with OM-8 L+R, OMC2 center and BPSS Sub. Do not have SACD or DVD Audio, Very happy with this set-up. Paid $315.00 per pair for the OM-R2's. I feel they sound great, perfect for Movies and blend nicely with music. Have listened to a little 5.1 DTS music and the OM-R2's sounded excellent. Our receiver is the Pioneer 49TX. I would recommend you try the OM-R2's.
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TS45.
I ordered the 49TX. Are you happy with that as well?
The mirage lineup seems to be going thru change as fast as their website.
Also noticed their advertising has stopped.
Hope they will stay around.
For example I can't even determine which sub to use with an OM series HT setup....do I need a crossover too or not?
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You should look at the Mirage BPS-400 subwoofer. This is a great sub. Has a nice piano black gloss finish. You should be able to find it for $650-850 street price.

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post #13 of 27Old06-20-2002, 06:39 PM - Thread Starter

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Well its between the mirages and the vienna acousitcs.
That rosewood on the VA's is beautiful (dang WAF!).
Any advice between these two.
The VAs seem to more directional (smaller sweet spot).

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Wow, two very nice speakers there, but two different types of sound. Yes the OM's will probably have a larger sweet spot/soundstage, and the VA's will probably have more image specificity. Bi/omnipolars to direct radiators. Apples to oranges my friend.
What %HT/music will this system be used for? Any major placement restrictions in your room?
The Mirages (particularly the powered tower models) might be easier to drive, but I am not completely sure about that.
The only proper way to do things would be to compare side by side in your room.

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cajunlab,
Here is a link that I just placed today at the HTF on my new OM5's
Link to my post

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post #18 of 27Old06-24-2002, 03:00 PM - Thread Starter

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The Vienna rosewood is beautiful BUT,
I'll probably go with Mirage because they handle higher volumes & fill a large room better than vienna, or so I am told.
They also seem to have a more open, reflected sound......r u ready for this.....like BOSE 901's did in the 70's:).

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OK, I'll stop beating a dead horse after this:
I understand that the THXUltra2 spec requires dipoles at the side and direct radiators at the rear. (I don't know what it says about the front L&R).
BUT Mirage doesn't make an OM series direct radiatorDR.
Would I be better off with another brand DR at rear or Mirage omi/uni/whatever/polars at rear?
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If your still looking at the Mirage for speakers.
There is a guy at audiogon that you can not go wrong with his prices.
I purchased a OM-C2 and the OM-R2 speakers.
Sam is his name. Eptac
Look at the price for those OM-5's
He just marked them down another $500 today.
$2k for the gloss black OM-5 is a steal with full warranty.
Even the OM-7 or OM-9 have great prices.
He is about ready to drop Mirage for a new line.
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I purchased my Mirage OM-7s initially because of their extraordinarily sweet midrange. I tested quite a number of speakers using a song entitled 'Sign of the Zodiac' by a cello trio called Rasputina. (Even if you hate their music, it's a fantastic test track. I was able to eliminate about a dozen speakers within about 30 seconds. It does absolutely unholy things with the midrange and it's pretty evil in the bass, too.) The Mirages were the only speakers I found in my price range that I really liked. Moreover, it's almost as if they do NOT have a sweet spot! If you're in the right general area of the room, the OM-7s are wonderful. For music, the OM-7s have all the bass you'll ever need in a reasonably sized room. In fact, the OM-5s are known for producing TOO much bass. I understand that the 5s need quite a bit more room than even the 7s.
Negatives: Mirage's tweeter is simply wonderful, however it will show up flaws in the source fairly easily. Bright sources are BAD. Stay away from Krell. Also, these speakers need ROOM to breathe. Mine are currently about 4 feet from the back wall and they really need to be at least a foot from the side walls. It's also best if you can get away from them a bit. They sound good from any direction (including behind and in between), but for the best sound, ten feet away is good.
All in all, the Mirage speakers are simply the best values I've found. (Not that I don't want a pair of Martin-Logan Odysseys... But those were 10K a pair, driven by 18K of electronics... :) )
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Well it's down between the OM5's and OM7's for front L&R spkrs.
Does anyone have the 5's?...are subs unnecessary with 5;'s?
Is the bass too much?
It is either:
A. OM7's with BPS400 sub.
B. OM5's alone.
PS My listening is HT 65% and music 35%.

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cajunlab,
I have the 5's.
I also have a sub.
Could I get by without the Sub?
Probably,
Would I want to at this point,
No, I have a huge room to fill and the sub is the added bang
to the movies. I should say, wall rattling shake.
I'm sure the 5's will be fine with those 250w subs in each.
To be fair I had my Paradigm pw-2200 sub at the time of purchase,
I should try them without the sub, even in my large room I'm sure they would be fine alone.
The sub is not needed for music in my setup.
The OM 5's have plenty of bass
Did you check out those prices from Sam?
I can vouch for him, he delivers and you will get the sales
receipt for your purchase, He is listed as an authorized dealer
with Mirage.
Also, The warranty is transferable with Mirage speakers.
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Remember the OM-R2's have a forward firing mid driver, tweeters are dispersing more of the sound. the OM-10's use a different tweeter than the OM-6+8's.
Not sure if the OM-5+7 use a different tweeter than the OM-9?
To really get the most of our set-up good amplification is a must.
A side note our 7.1 system uses 4 OM-R2's. 2 directly to the sides and 2 in the back 'stacked' one atop the other with about 6' between the 2. The back surrounds do what is needed very well, back fill, and for the occasional 'EX' type sound effect. For the most part I really do not notice the rear surrounds until they are switched out of the system. Still tweaking as the 'rear surround' set-up is still not that cut and dry.
The 49TX is working out great with this system, currently auditioning a couple diff. amps for the front L,C+R, Parasound HCA 1505, Parasound Halo A23 and B+K Ref. 3220. So far I'd say the Halo A23's will stay.
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I love my Mirage and have all their speakers in my theater.
My Dad introduced me to this company.
I have two OM10s for the front.
1 center MCsi.
Two 595is for the rears and two OMR2s for the sides.
1 BPS 400 sub for the rear and I hope to get another one for the front.
I just bought a Denon 3802 (7.1) to replace my Yamaha (5.1).
I think I'm a lady with good home theater tastes!
Have you seen this Mirage home theater setup?
http://www.thebigpicturedvd.com/bigpicmain.shtml
Speaker System: 4 Mirage OM-10s (one in each corner), Mirage OM-C2 center channel speaker, and Mirage
Substrata, 1500 Watt Subwoofer (at .1 LFE Channel)
Cajun,
I would go with A.

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The BPS-400 is very nice. I heard that you can get it for US$600-$800 right now, brand new. You will probably want this regardless of what main speaker you choose.
Is it true that the OM-5 has a built-in adjustable eq?

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Yes,
http://www.miragespeakers.com/produc...info/index.htm
and this pdf